Comments on: Why the iPhone will – forever and always – remain on the ATT network http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/ We cover, review and analyze the tech industry from head to toe Tue, 22 May 2012 01:33:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: chain http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-1568 chain Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:10:29 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-1568 Il est enfin temps que Skype iclue la 3G pour l iPhone. Il est enfin temps que Skype iclue la 3G pour l iPhone.

]]> By: alexluft http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-1349 alexluft Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:27:07 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-1349 Christian,<br /><br /><br />Your completely right in that data services are the future and voice calls have become a commodity. Although we currently do have all-you-can-eat data as well (but in reality it's capped).<br /><br /><br />I find it great that finally we're moving to a single standard for wireless technologies - LTE. But then we also have WiMax... How long do you think it is until we are making calls via VOIP on our cell phones?<br /><br /><br />- Alex Christian,

Your completely right in that data services are the future and voice calls have become a commodity. Although we currently do have all-you-can-eat data as well (but in reality it's capped).

I find it great that finally we're moving to a single standard for wireless technologies – LTE. But then we also have WiMax… How long do you think it is until we are making calls via VOIP on our cell phones?

- Alex

]]> By: Christian Szita http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-1347 Christian Szita Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:36:03 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-1347 CDMA has always been a good standard for calls, but it just can't keep up with data services as GSM/HSDPA does, and THAT's what will generate revenue in the long term. Voice calls are like a commodity now; you've got all-you-can-eat for a flat fee plans and there's even no nationwide roaming fees, so EvDO is keeping short at this rally.. For instance, you've got Chile, this southamerican county once had three standards: TDMA, GSM and CDMA. TDMA was the first to disappear for obvious reasons migrating it's service to GSM, and CDMA did the same towards GSM. All data is handled via 3G HSDPA with downlink speeds up to 2mbps and uplink to an embarrasing 256kbps. EvDO was never commercialy available.. and it was dropped at a later time. CDMA has always been a good standard for calls, but it just can't keep up with data services as GSM/HSDPA does, and THAT's what will generate revenue in the long term. Voice calls are like a commodity now; you've got all-you-can-eat for a flat fee plans and there's even no nationwide roaming fees, so EvDO is keeping short at this rally..

For instance, you've got Chile, this southamerican county once had three standards: TDMA, GSM and CDMA.
TDMA was the first to disappear for obvious reasons migrating it's service to GSM, and CDMA did the same towards GSM. All data is handled via 3G HSDPA with downlink speeds up to 2mbps and uplink to an embarrasing 256kbps.

EvDO was never commercialy available.. and it was dropped at a later time.

]]> By: alexluft http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-910 alexluft Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:27:07 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-910 Lean and efficient - the way any business should be! I agree that technologically, I don't think there is a inferior/superior difference between CDMA and GSM. What matter, like you wrote, is implementation. For some reason, I am extremely happy with AT&T service. I haven't had one dropped call yet since I've purchased the 3G S. Web browsing and the connection to the internet are superb - reliable and fast: I couldn't be happier. I'll be writing a post about this!!! LEAVE AT&T ALONE :) Lean and efficient – the way any business should be! I agree that technologically, I don't think there is a inferior/superior difference between CDMA and GSM. What matter, like you wrote, is implementation. For some reason, I am extremely happy with AT&T service. I haven't had one dropped call yet since I've purchased the 3G S. Web browsing and the connection to the internet are superb – reliable and fast: I couldn't be happier. I'll be writing a post about this!!! LEAVE AT&T ALONE :)

]]> By: alexluft http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-909 alexluft Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:26:32 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-909 Lean and efficient - the way any business should be! I agree that tecnologically, I don't think there is a inferior/superior difference between CDMA and GSM. What matter, like you wrote, is implementation. For some reason, I am extremely happy with AT&T service. I haven't had one dropped call yet since I've purchased the 3G S. Web browsing and the connection to the internet are superb - reliable and fast: I couldn't be happier. I'll be writing a post about this!!! LEAVE AT&T ALONE :) Lean and efficient – the way any business should be! I agree that tecnologically, I don't think there is a inferior/superior difference between CDMA and GSM. What matter, like you wrote, is implementation. For some reason, I am extremely happy with AT&T service. I haven't had one dropped call yet since I've purchased the 3G S. Web browsing and the connection to the internet are superb – reliable and fast: I couldn't be happier. I'll be writing a post about this!!! LEAVE AT&T ALONE :)

]]> By: CraigButrick http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-863 CraigButrick Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:32:54 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-863 CDMA and GSM (now WCDMA) are almost the same. One is not inherently better than the other. What does matter is the network implimentation. AT&T is having problems because of their ability to handle the data that the users want, the size of their 3g roll out, and the hand off between GSM and WCDMA. The dual chipset would be expensive to implement in all of the iPhones, especially in countries where CDMA doesn't exist. Apple just doesn't make one item different for just one country. They are about the smallest number of skus possible. CDMA and GSM (now WCDMA) are almost the same. One is not inherently better than the other. What does matter is the network implimentation. AT&T is having problems because of their ability to handle the data that the users want, the size of their 3g roll out, and the hand off between GSM and WCDMA. The dual chipset would be expensive to implement in all of the iPhones, especially in countries where CDMA doesn't exist. Apple just doesn't make one item different for just one country. They are about the smallest number of skus possible.

]]> By: the tour http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-861 the tour Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:36:36 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-861 CDMA is a far superior wireless technology. GSM 3G is base solely on CDMA2000. The reason Verizon is moving to LTE is because VODAFONE (parent company) is a GSM base carrier over sea. Any carrier moving to 4G have to overhaul the entire network from the ground up. There is no exception if you're CDMA base or GSM base. I agree that Apple will stay with ATT for another 5 years since building a new network will take several years to complete. Apple may consider having dual chipset similar to what RIM is doing, but that all boils down to the all mighty $$$. CDMA is a far superior wireless technology. GSM 3G is base solely on CDMA2000. The reason Verizon is moving to LTE is because VODAFONE (parent company) is a GSM base carrier over sea. Any carrier moving to 4G have to overhaul the entire network from the ground up. There is no exception if you're CDMA base or GSM base.

I agree that Apple will stay with ATT for another 5 years since building a new network will take several years to complete. Apple may consider having dual chipset similar to what RIM is doing, but that all boils down to the all mighty $$$.

]]> By: alexluft http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-846 alexluft Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:04:20 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-846 Agreed! By making all the apps run across all its devices, Verizon designs for the lowest common denominator, thus decreasing functionality. If one phone is far superior (and has an acceleromenter, for example) and another phone is a basic candy bar with no acceleromenter, running the same app on it would not take advantage of the superior hardware of the first phone. It's business, for sure, and iPhone is business squared! I've had very few problems with AT&T and overall I'm extremely satisfied! You have had a totally different experience. Who is to say that we wouldn't have the same experience with Verizon (you might have excellent service, I might not)? As for CDMA being a far superior technology, I don't know. I'm not an engineer, nor do I play one in the movies :) What I do know is that GSM is the most prevalent wireless standard by far world wide (have fun using a CDMA phone overseas) and that LTE is based on GSM. Verizon and AT&T have announced that they will be adopting LTE as their 4G service. This means that, in essence, Verizon is moving away from CDMA and will need to rebuild their entire network! So there has to be something in CDMA that they don't like. Another thing I detest about the implementation of CDMA in the US is the inability to input SIM cards into phones. You can't just swap your phones whenever you want to with the US CDMA implementation. You have to either go to the store and have them "program" it for you, or do the online activation thing. What a royal pain in the ar$e. Agreed! By making all the apps run across all its devices, Verizon designs for the lowest common denominator, thus decreasing functionality. If one phone is far superior (and has an acceleromenter, for example) and another phone is a basic candy bar with no acceleromenter, running the same app on it would not take advantage of the superior hardware of the first phone. It's business, for sure, and iPhone is business squared!

I've had very few problems with AT&T and overall I'm extremely satisfied! You have had a totally different experience. Who is to say that we wouldn't have the same experience with Verizon (you might have excellent service, I might not)? As for CDMA being a far superior technology, I don't know. I'm not an engineer, nor do I play one in the movies :)

What I do know is that GSM is the most prevalent wireless standard by far world wide (have fun using a CDMA phone overseas) and that LTE is based on GSM. Verizon and AT&T have announced that they will be adopting LTE as their 4G service. This means that, in essence, Verizon is moving away from CDMA and will need to rebuild their entire network! So there has to be something in CDMA that they don't like.

Another thing I detest about the implementation of CDMA in the US is the inability to input SIM cards into phones. You can't just swap your phones whenever you want to with the US CDMA implementation. You have to either go to the store and have them "program" it for you, or do the online activation thing. What a royal pain in the ar$e.

]]> By: corey-m http://technestreport.com/blog/2009/07/20/why-the-iphone-will-forever-and-always-remain-on-the-att-network/comment-page-1/#comment-830 corey-m Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:59:28 +0000 http://technestreport.com/blog/?p=1826#comment-830 I didn't realize what all the fuss about AT&T was until I switched from Verizon for the obvious reason. I can tell you that I never dropped a call on Verizon for the four years I was with them with the exception of physically moving out of the service area. AT&T is quite the opposite story, especially on the jam packed UCF campus mid-day. Verizon has a better network, and CDMA is a far superior technology. But I will also add that Verizon is extremely proprietary. They literally have the same OS on all of their non-smartphones, independent of their manufacture. Their apps, of which most charge a monthly fee, surprisingly work on almost all handsets old and new, also independent of manufacture. However, on their smartphones running windows mobile and palm, I'm pretty sure that app distribution and support is out of their hands. I'll bet they would let the iPhone slide on the same exception. We'll see what happens when all the 4G commotion settles and the iPhone becomes more technologically feasible to move in. Money talks man, and the iPhone represents a boat load. If Apple reconsiders Verizon, I think they'll bite. I didn't realize what all the fuss about AT&T was until I switched from Verizon for the obvious reason. I can tell you that I never dropped a call on Verizon for the four years I was with them with the exception of physically moving out of the service area. AT&T is quite the opposite story, especially on the jam packed UCF campus mid-day. Verizon has a better network, and CDMA is a far superior technology.

But I will also add that Verizon is extremely proprietary. They literally have the same OS on all of their non-smartphones, independent of their manufacture. Their apps, of which most charge a monthly fee, surprisingly work on almost all handsets old and new, also independent of manufacture. However, on their smartphones running windows mobile and palm, I'm pretty sure that app distribution and support is out of their hands. I'll bet they would let the iPhone slide on the same exception.

We'll see what happens when all the 4G commotion settles and the iPhone becomes more technologically feasible to move in. Money talks man, and the iPhone represents a boat load. If Apple reconsiders Verizon, I think they'll bite.

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